13 Brentford Rd
4:07 Sat Mar 23
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....Right across the region but not in Israel I'm affraid.
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13 Brentford Rd
3:38 Sat Mar 23
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.....she has indefinite leave to remain
Are you deny the persecution because I can provide plenty of links to the truth if you like?
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13 Brentford Rd
3:35 Sat Mar 23
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Sterling arrives on cue to defend brutal intolerant Islamic dictatorships and to attack Israel.
Iran is always threatening Israel but it's hot air as it's scared of them knowing they would lose any direct confrontation. Israel has given them enough reasons yet all they do is make more threats.
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stirlinghammer
3:18 Sat Mar 23
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oh do fck off 13..
'..persecutes Christians and minorities and subjegates women...'
you're pushing the israeli spin again aren't you?
you forgot to say that they will wipe israel off the map. thought israel would be sick of war by now but they want to push the US and the west into yet another ME war.
oh did your mate s' girlfriend secure a british passport before the burning incident?
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13 Brentford Rd
2:56 Sat Mar 23
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Iran is a brutal intolerant theocracy that persecutes Christians and minorities and subjegates women.
My mate's Iranian girlfriend fled Iran and burned her passport.
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Westham67
1:55 Sat Mar 23
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say. Different days as you posted not comparable for anyone born after the mid 80s
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ironsofcanada
1:50 Sat Mar 23
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Westham67 1:48 Sat Mar 23
Generally all awful decisions...in hindsight.
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Westham67
1:48 Sat Mar 23
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Lots of proxy wars Central America, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan the Mujaheddin armed by the US
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ironsofcanada
1:39 Sat Mar 23
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mashed in maryland 1:25 Sat Mar 23
I agree at this point.
Just saying we forget that this great Red Evil that we see as pretty silly (and often self-serving) was not in any way silly at some points. We went to bed with all manner of little evils for the "greater good". And evidence shows that many did actually believe that and we will never know what happened if we had not kept the pressure up on the Soviet Union.
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mashed in maryland
1:25 Sat Mar 23
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It's a strange situation with a lot of these types of countries. Life for most people in them is probably pretty comfortable (especially compared to how it was before) and that's probably how the rulers keep power. All the human rights stuff probably has very little bearing on day to day life (or is seen as part & parcel), and if anything keeps everyone in check (unless of course you're one of the persecuted minorities in which case life is pretty shit)
Obviously the west turning up and fucking this relative stability up in the name of "freedom" isn't going to go down well. "We" should leave them alone, if they want change let them do it themselves. How anyone could think intervention is a good idea after the last 60-odd years is a mystery.
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Westham67
1:21 Sat Mar 23
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Agree with that different times indeed a Cold War
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ironsofcanada
1:18 Sat Mar 23
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The further I get in life, the more I think that any foreign interference needs very serious consideration and usually a rejection.
That said, it is incredibly easy to judge Cold War things with post-Cold War hindsight.
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HairyHammer
1:17 Sat Mar 23
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Westham67
I know he was, but the wealthier Iranians loved him I had an Iranian friend who was not so wealthy but liked the secular shah for more freedoms,and he told me his country was not perfect before under the Shah but that the revolution and khomeigni absolutely killed it no one trusted anyone and everyone was a spy he said, and guess what he had the Shah's picture on the wall of his house..
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HairyHammer
1:12 Sat Mar 23
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Willtell
OK it is not all their fault but they always meddle with these places the Brits too so they must take some blame when that happens the poor of these places end up turning against the west as the west is getting most of the cream as they suck on dust and oil fumes.
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk said this and it applies to Iran and Turkey now "Our biggest enemy that we must defeat is ignorance", (Lack of education and learning).
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Westham67
1:05 Sat Mar 23
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The Shah was a brutal dictator that what he got he go overthrown
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12:58 Sat Mar 23
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The Shah of Persia was a CIA puppet and ran an undemocratic country backed up by the SAVAK his secret police force. The one thing that the West feared, and the USA in particular, was an outbreak of democracy in Persia ( as we all called it in those days ). Quelle surprise that when the revolution came it turned into a virtual theocratic dictatorship which survives to this day probably due in some part to finding allies with anti Americanism in common.
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J.Riddle
12:51 Sat Mar 23
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Iran was the first middle eastern country that the British developed their oil, before Saudi I believe, then Iraq and others along with the septics.
Iraq was the same pre 58 and Saddam, King Faisal II.
Iranians and Iraqis came with their oil wealth bought up part of Kensington in the 60's when prices were much lower, sitting on a fortune now. Many bought near their embassies. Iranian Embassy (Siege) is Kensington Road, Iraqi Embassy Queens Gate.
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mashed in maryland
12:48 Sat Mar 23
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Shut it Hai-....
Oh wait sorry that was quite a good post. Agree with much of it
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Willtell
12:44 Sat Mar 23
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Seriously Hairy it wasn't America's fault Iran has been turned into a shit hole. And the reason education is banned by Islamics is because anyone intelligent starts to question fundamental Islam's validity.
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HairyHammer
12:39 Sat Mar 23
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The Shah was basically an American stooge and as we know whatever America touches in the middle east usually in no time becomes poison.
Muslim Country's are difficult places, Iran was quite progressive and very intellectual under the Shah although the poor were dirt poor as the rich danced in money but still a far better place than it has become.
What the Islamic Revolution did as soon as it came in was to kill education and thinking. Erdogan has done exactly the same in Turkey, and when you lack the power to think and stop learning too, well then hey presto your country becomes an autocratic shit hole.
Just imagine a country with thousands of Islamic clerics controlling everything, they know fuck all just praying and the belief that praying can do anything as long as you are totally pure and totally devout and if the prayer does not work maybe you are just not devout enough.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:21 Sat Mar 23
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No.
I wouldn’t want to do you any permanent harm.
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